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PECB ISO-9001-Lead-Auditor Exam - Topic 7 Question 32 Discussion

Posted by Buck on Apr 07, 2025 at 03:28 PM

You will lead a third-party audit next Monday on ABC, an organisation that provides services for cleaning windows from the outside of tall buildings. They work on demand, and usually have 4-5 orders per week. All documented information on these activities is kept at the central office.

On Friday evening, before the audit, you are informed by mail that customers cancelled all orders for the next week; therefore, the auditors will not have the chance to see them working at the customer's premises, but the field supervisors will be available at the ABC offices.

You have prepared the audit plan and the checklist. Choose the best action you would take:

Suggested Answer: B

According to ISO 19011:2018, clause 6.3.3, the audit plan should be reviewed and revised as necessary to address changes that occur during the audit planning. The audit plan should be agreed upon, preferably in writing, by the audit team leader, the audit client and the auditee1. Therefore, if there is a significant change in the auditee's situation, such as the cancellation of all orders for the next week, the audit plan should be reviewed and revised accordingly, with the agreement of all parties involved.

According to ISO/IEC 17021-1:2015, clause 9.1.4, the certification body should have a process to ensure that the audit team has the competence to achieve the audit objectives, and that the audit methods are appropriate for the scope and complexity of the audit. The certification body should also have a process to ensure that the audit is conducted under reasonable conditions and within a reasonable time frame2. Therefore, if there is a risk that the audit objectives cannot be achieved, or that the audit methods are not suitable, due to the change in the auditee's situation, the certification body should be consulted and informed on how to proceed with the audit.

Therefore, the best action to take is B, ask the certification body you work for how to proceed with the audit. This action will ensure that the audit plan is revised and agreed upon by all parties, and that the audit team has the competence and the methods to conduct the audit effectively and efficiently. The other options are not correct, as they may compromise the quality and validity of the audit:

*A. Start the audit on Monday at ABC's as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and plan visits to ABC customers wherever they may be working during the following week: This action may not be feasible or acceptable, as it may extend the audit duration and cost beyond the agreed terms, and it may not provide sufficient and appropriate audit evidence to verify the conformity and effectiveness of the auditee's processes. Moreover, this action may not be agreed upon by the audit client and the auditee, and it may not be approved by the certification body.

*C. Start the audit on Monday as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and visit another customer's premises they cleaned the week before: This action may not be relevant or reliable, as it may not reflect the current performance and condition of the auditee's processes. The audit evidence collected from the previous customer may not be valid or representative of the audit criteria, and it may not address the risks and opportunities associated with the auditee's context and objectives. Moreover, this action may not be agreed upon by the audit client and the auditee, and it may not be approved by the certification body.

*D. Complete the audit but ask the quality manager to clean some windows at the ABC's office, simulating the process they carry out at customers' premises: This action may not be objective or impartial, as it may introduce bias and influence in the audit process. The audit evidence collected from the simulated process may not be accurate or authentic, and it may not demonstrate the actual capability and effectiveness of the auditee's processes. Moreover, this action may not be ethical or professional, as it may compromise the integrity and credibility of the audit and the certification.


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29 comments · newest first
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Elvera 10 months ago
Why not just go with option C? It makes sense to see their work!
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Art 10 months ago
I think option B is the safest bet here.
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Hannah 10 months ago
Wait, are we really considering simulating cleaning? That feels off.
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Lajuana 10 months ago
They usually have 4-5 orders per week, so this is unusual.
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Glory 11 months ago
Sounds like a tough situation for the audit.
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Darrin 11 months ago
I recall that simulating the process, like in option D, could be useful, but it feels a bit off. I’m not sure if it really reflects their actual operations.
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Taryn 11 months ago
I feel like asking the Certification Body for guidance might be the safest route. I just hope they have a clear protocol for situations like this.
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Audry 11 months ago
I think option C sounds familiar from a practice question we did. Visiting a previous customer's site could provide some insights, but I wonder if that’s enough.
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Alease 12 months ago
I remember we discussed the importance of observing actual work processes during audits, but now that we can't see them in action, I'm not sure what the best approach is.
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Yong 12 months ago
Hmm, I'm not sure about completing the audit by having the quality manager simulate the window cleaning. That doesn't seem like it would provide an accurate representation of their actual work. I think we need to explore other options that allow us to observe their real operations.
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Lanie 12 months ago
I feel pretty confident that option C is the way to go. Interviewing the central office staff and visiting a recent customer site should give us a good understanding of their processes, even without seeing the live work.
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Tresa 1 year ago
I'm a bit confused here. Since the customers cancelled all orders, I'm not sure how we can effectively audit their operations. Maybe we should reach out to the certification body and get their guidance on how to proceed.
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Alaine 1 year ago
This is a tricky situation, but I think the best approach is to start the audit as planned and try to find alternative ways to observe the work processes, like visiting a recent customer site or having the quality manager simulate the window cleaning.
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Justine 1 year ago
I would go with option C and visit another customer's premises they cleaned the week before. It's better than not seeing any actual work at all.
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Nilsa 1 year ago
I agree with Marcelle. It's important to see the actual work being done, even if it's at a different location.
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Marcelle 1 year ago
I think we should go with option A and visit the customers wherever they may be working next week.
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Weldon 1 year ago
I agree with Alyce's assessment. Reaching out to the Certification Body is the safest bet to ensure we handle this audit properly, given the unexpected circumstances.
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Aleisha 1 year ago
↳ replying to Weldon
A) Start the audit on Monday at ABC's as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and plan visits to ABC customers wherever they may be working during the following week.
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Gussie 1 year ago
↳ replying to Weldon
B) Ask the Certification Body you work for how to proceed with the audit.
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Wava 1 year ago
Haha, option D is a classic! Asking the quality manager to simulate the window cleaning process is a creative solution, but I'm not sure it would fly with the auditors.
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Rosita 1 year ago
Option C seems like a reasonable alternative. Visiting a customer's premises from the previous week would still allow us to observe their process and gather the necessary information.
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Alyce 2 years ago
I think option B is the best course of action. Consulting with the Certification Body on how to proceed would be the most prudent approach in this situation.
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Mozell 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
D) Complete the audit but ask the quality manager to clean some windows at the ABC's office, simulating the process they carry out at customers' premises.
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Virgie 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
C) Start the audit on Monday as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and visit another customer's premises they cleaned the week before.
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Ryan 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
B) Ask the Certification Body you work for how to proceed with the audit.
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Herman 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
A) Start the audit on Monday at ABC's as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and plan visits to ABC customers wherever they may be working during the following week.
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Iluminada 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
C) Start the audit on Monday as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and visit another customer's premises they cleaned the week before.
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Brianne 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
B) Ask the Certification Body you work for how to proceed with the audit.
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Tawny 1 year ago
↳ replying to Alyce
A) Start the audit on Monday at ABC's as planned, interviewing the functions that regularly work at the central office, and plan visits to ABC customers wherever they may be working during the following week.
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